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Semiotic · Jul 29, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Hi there, Community!

Just wondered what everyone's guild websites were like?

Do people have frontpages or are most guilds based around forums?

Visit ours: www.theredshield.com - please bear in mind that this is a work in progress and I'm trying to construct it just using HTML and CSS from scratch (Not cheating using NetObjects etc), and this is the first site I've built - so please don't flame.

I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions anyone can give.

Thanks

Mystic Marz · Jul 29, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

We have a front page and forum. www.gw.mysticteam.com

Experiment_Jon · Jul 30, 2005, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Wow...you bought your own domain. Cheers.

Not that great, sorry. I mean not bad for a first try though. Hmm, suggestions. If you can, get photoshop or photoshop elements (which is far more affordable), to make some of your own web graphics. Then to facilitate the job, get Macromedia Dreamweaver (because MS Frontpage stinks) to put the webpage together rather than working with HTML and CSS.

QUESTION! How did you get that [gw] part in your domain name marz?

Arvais · Jul 30, 2005, 11:07 AM // 11:07

the GW would be a subdomain. as his guild plays other games, take the gw. out and you'll see their guilds main page.

Gerbill · Jul 30, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Experiment_Jon

Wow...you bought your own domain. Cheers.

Not that great, sorry. I mean not bad for a first try though. Hmm, suggestions. If you can, get photoshop or photoshop elements (which is far more affordable), to make some of your own web graphics. Then to facilitate the job, get Macromedia Dreamweaver (because MS Frontpage stinks) to put the webpage together rather than working with HTML and CSS.

I agree on the graphics, but not on the HTML and CSS, I have designed and coded (if that's what you may call it lol since it's only HTML and CSS) quite a few websites.
I've gotten Dreamweaver lessons in College but I simply don't see the need, I am nearly twice as fast doing it just in html, another thing about Dreamweaver is alignment it often has a problem with aligning things.
Everytime I've used Dreamweaver I've always ended up editting most of it in HTML.
Though if you want to use a webdesign program, it still is the best one out there, since it hardly messes up your coding compared to other programs.

Akilles · Jul 30, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

anyone use bbedit? I used to use it but do it in dreamweaver now, I like switching from the WYSIWUG part of dreamweaver to the "code" of your website, quite nice.

Dreamweaver is the best, but will adobe keep dreamweaver and lose GoLive (which they should) Adobe ONLY bought macromedia for Flash and its plug-ins, me thinks adobe predicts lots more flash related web experiences....which i can believe.

oh yeah....

Brothers of the Jade

Gerbill · Jul 30, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms.

Aphrodite Sky · Jul 30, 2005, 07:21 PM // 19:21

www.allianceknights.net

KoA has been around since 1997. It started in Diablo and then moved to UO. Branches have moved to SB, WOW, and now GW.

IrishAssassin · Jul 30, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

http://www.teamtcb.net

Dosham_Vel · Jul 30, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

http://www.freewebs.com/bsbz/

Glorified text document.

Anya · Jul 30, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

www.clanafo.com

Multi-game website based off of forums. Our GW branch is still fairly new and small.

Akilles · Jul 30, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbill

Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms.

hmmm....good tip, if i ever get time, i probably will do that, i never thought of it.

Fatalis · Jul 30, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semiotic

Visit ours: www.theredshield.com - please bear in mind that this is a work in progress and I'm trying to construct it just using HTML and CSS from scratch (Not cheating using NetObjects etc), and this is the first site I've built - so please don't flame.

There is no CSS used there at all and the markup is a tag-soup. You should review the sources you learn from.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbill

Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again.
to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms.

This does not make sense at all. Using an iframe (note the correct capitalization) has nothing to do with wether the images are cached or not. If what you describe is happening it's because of either server or client misconfiguration. And there is no such thing as "meta forms".

Also, about WYSIWYG editors like Dreamwaver ??? you'd do yourself a favour and earn some geek style points by staying away from them. Don't waste your time by learning how to use flawed software, as the code it outputs is unaccessible and generally bad.

Dethdeath · Jul 30, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

http://www.guildwarsarena.net

A Guild Wars fansite and the home of the Ascalon Freedom Fighters guild

Gerbill · Jul 31, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akilles

hmmm....good tip, if i ever get time, i probably will do that, i never thought of it.

Nowadays it doesn't matter much though, people's connections are fast enough for it to load all the things again.
It's just the few slower connections that are left you have to take in count...

sigh.. my college is annoying with that =P

Gerbill · Jul 31, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatalis

There is no CSS used there at all and the markup is a tag-soup. You should review the sources you learn of.

This does not make sense at all. Using an iframe (note the correct capitalization) has nothing to do with wether the images are cached or not. If what you describe is happening it's because of either server or client misconfiguration. And there is no such thing as "meta forms".

Also, about WYSIWYG editors like Dreamwaver ??? you'd do yourself a favour and earn some geek style points by staying away from them. Don't waste your time by learning how to use flawed software, as the code they output is unaccessible and generally bad.

With an iframe you won't have to load all the pictures since only the frame will have to reload itself when you click a link.
let's say there's 20 pictures making up the site, from which 2 are the content part. just click a link and see all the pictures loading again, eventhough it only takes 1 second it does happen. if you make the iframe the exact size of the 2 pictures that contain the content it will only have to reload the frame when u click a link thus only reloading 2 pictures instead of 20.
even if pictures are cached it still reloads them, takes a fraction of a second.. which is just noticeable.
Even if it's a server or client related problem the iframe will reduce the "problem"

there's something with Meta.. never used it don't know exactly what it's called, but it does a similair thing.

I agree with you on the editors, I prefer notepad =P

Sorry for the doublepost, didn't read this after I replied.

Akilles · Jul 31, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

i do agree about the WYSIWUG software, i use it to rough out what i want and then always to into the code itself to really do what i need, it is just a time saver, i would NEVER make a site on that and release it without going thru the code. Its like when i draw, i just need a quick idea of what things will look like and then i can go back and clean up.

I do need to get back into more current html though, its been a while.

Yes, once images are cached it flies, which is why i did not care really. I wanted certain fonts so i used images. I said to myself, ppl who play GW use broadband, so the ppl who visit should be the same.

Do schools really still stress about optimizing sites for 56k? its been a while and broadband was just starting to be affordable when i took the classes. the sites had to be for 800x600 screens and 56k friendly.

Fatalis · Jul 31, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerbill

With an iframe you won't have to load all the pictures since only the frame will have to reload itself when you click a link.
let's say there's 20 pictures making up the site, from which 2 are the content part. just click a link and see all the pictures loading again, eventhough it only takes 1 second it does happen. if you make the iframe the exact size of the 2 pictures that contain the content it will only have to reload the frame when u click a link thus only reloading 2 pictures instead of 20.
even if pictures are cached it still reloads them, takes a fraction of a second.. which is just noticeable.

As I said, the browser caches the pictures and does not reload them unless either it or the HTTP server is misconfigured.

Iframes are inaccessible for most search engines, some older browsers, and have usability issues like the visitor not being able to bookmark a page or copy the correct link. Basically what you're suggesting is an abuse of the iframe tag and a common newb mistake.

Edit: the site in question actually has a different set of images for each page, so it's no wonder that you see all of them reloading every time you click on a link.

Gerbill · Jul 31, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatalis

As I said, the browser caches the pictures and does not reload them unless either it or the HTTP server is misconfigured.

Iframes are inaccessible for most search engines, some older browsers, and have usability issues like the visitor not being able to bookmark a page or copy the correct link. Basically what you're suggesting is an abuse of the iframe tag and a common newb mistake.

Edit: the page in question actually has a different set of images for each page, so it's no wonder that you see all of them reloading every time you click on a link.

Didn't realise the different pictures, then it can't be used no.

Iframes and search engines are usually a problem yes, you seem to have knowledge lol, maybe you know.
How can you make a site, with scrolling content, when you click a link you only want the content part to change. but not using an Iframe.
Because Iframes have worked for me and they're easy to use, but they do lack in certain ways.

forgotten ranger · Jul 31, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

I got a guild wars forum but it is **** it ishttp://www.guildnet.tk/

But the first 6 new registered users will become mods

Jul 29, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#1
Semiotic Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: http://games.photics.com/rogueBATTLE/?u=1706 Guild: The Order of the Red Shield Profession: W/N	Guild Websites Hi there, Community! Just wondered what everyone's guild websites were like? Do people have frontpages or are most guilds based around forums? Visit ours: www.theredshield.com - please bear in mind that this is a work in progress and I'm trying to construct it just using HTML and CSS from scratch (Not cheating using NetObjects etc), and this is the first site I've built - so please don't flame. I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions anyone can give. Thanks

Jul 30, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34	#6
Akilles Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Jade	anyone use bbedit? I used to use it but do it in dreamweaver now, I like switching from the WYSIWUG part of dreamweaver to the "code" of your website, quite nice. Dreamweaver is the best, but will adobe keep dreamweaver and lose GoLive (which they should) Adobe ONLY bought macromedia for Flash and its plug-ins, me thinks adobe predicts lots more flash related web experiences....which i can believe. oh yeah.... Brothers of the Jade Last edited by Akilles; Jul 30, 2005 at 02:36 PM // 14:36..

Jul 29, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10	#2
Mystic Marz Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Mighty Mystics Profession: W/Mo	We have a front page and forum. www.gw.mysticteam.com

Jul 30, 2005, 07:49 AM // 07:49	#3
Experiment_Jon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Band Geeks Profession: W/Mo	Wow...you bought your own domain. Cheers. Not that great, sorry. I mean not bad for a first try though. Hmm, suggestions. If you can, get photoshop or photoshop elements (which is far more affordable), to make some of your own web graphics. Then to facilitate the job, get Macromedia Dreamweaver (because MS Frontpage stinks) to put the webpage together rather than working with HTML and CSS. QUESTION! How did you get that [gw] part in your domain name marz?

Jul 30, 2005, 11:07 AM // 11:07	#4
Arvais Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Council of Awen Profession: W/Mo	the GW would be a subdomain. as his guild plays other games, take the gw. out and you'll see their guilds main page.

Jul 30, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42	#7
Gerbill Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Frozen plains. Guild: The Llanowar Legion [LL] Profession: Me/N	Akilles, I like your guildsite, but the thing is when u click a link the whole page including all the images load again. to prevent this u could implement an iFrame on the place where the content is, or more difficult work with Meta forms.

Jul 30, 2005, 07:21 PM // 19:21	#8
Aphrodite Sky Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Guild: Knights of the Alliance Profession: N/Me	www.allianceknights.net KoA has been around since 1997. It started in Diablo and then moved to UO. Branches have moved to SB, WOW, and now GW.

Jul 30, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26	#9
IrishAssassin Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Taking Care of Business Profession: E/Me	http://www.teamtcb.net

Jul 30, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39	#10
Dosham_Vel Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ny Guild: Backstreet Boyz Profession: N/Me	http://www.freewebs.com/bsbz/ Glorified text document.

Jul 30, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#11
Anya Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Michigan, USA Guild: A F O Profession: E/R	www.clanafo.com Multi-game website based off of forums. Our GW branch is still fairly new and small.

Jul 30, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09	#14
Dethdeath Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Ascalon Freedom Fighters	http://www.guildwarsarena.net A Guild Wars fansite and the home of the Ascalon Freedom Fighters guild

Jul 31, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06	#17
Akilles Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Jade	i do agree about the WYSIWUG software, i use it to rough out what i want and then always to into the code itself to really do what i need, it is just a time saver, i would NEVER make a site on that and release it without going thru the code. Its like when i draw, i just need a quick idea of what things will look like and then i can go back and clean up. I do need to get back into more current html though, its been a while. Yes, once images are cached it flies, which is why i did not care really. I wanted certain fonts so i used images. I said to myself, ppl who play GW use broadband, so the ppl who visit should be the same. Do schools really still stress about optimizing sites for 56k? its been a while and broadband was just starting to be affordable when i took the classes. the sites had to be for 800x600 screens and 56k friendly.

Jul 31, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26	#20
forgotten ranger Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: raging crusaders Profession: R/Mo	I got a guild wars forum but it is **** it ishttp://www.guildnet.tk/ But the first 6 new registered users will become mods